We had one of the most fun and devastating conversations ever about what's going on in that secret society of Child Welfare. And more importantly, what SHOULD be going on? And a bunch of moral dilemmas, and how to reach spiritual enlightenment- just check it out.

Elizabeth recommends reading "The Impossible Imperative" by Dr. Jill Duer Berrick if 1.5 hours wasn't enough content on this subject.  

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