This episode we’re talking with Cat Jones about her project Somatic Drifts, a one on one sensory experience exploring empathy and transgression. Somatic Drifts enables participants to experience the body of another entity through touch and illusion. What realm does the human exist within? How far can we drift? What can this drift enable us to change? During the project Jones worked with neuroscientists specializing in brain plasticity and chronic pain. The team recently published a new study that came about as a result of her findings.

Joining her to talk about the crossovers of this project with vegetal philosophy and her own research in plant intelligence, will be evolutionary biologist, Dr Monica Gagliano, who Jones spent time with towards the beginning of the project.