Today we have Michael Levan, consultant trainer, and content creator joining us for our topic of Kubernetes. Yes, we're still talking about Kubernetes. Is it just another virtualization of my virtualized data center that might be virtualized in somebody else's computer? I'm not sure. But what's the value? What are the skills? What about the cost of implementing it? Is it the latest fad? Or is Kubernetes here to stay? Please join me in welcoming Michael Levant to the show. Michael, buddy, thanks for joining me.