Aerospace engineer Robert Leader joins me on this episode to talk about our college heyday which includes conversation about choosing a career "path" versus finding a job, how to be more engaged at your work, and how failure is an important part of your personal and professional development. Other topics include why people like IPAs, slapping the bag, and asking out your 4th-grade crush.

3:35 Getting Big Data'd

6:28 Rob's Intro

8:55 ASU is the Stanford of Arizona

37:21 The experience dilemma and choosing a career path

57:33 Why do people like IPAs?

60:03 Relationship with failure

78:35 It's always about a girl