Vince Urbanowski returns to the show in this one. We catch up on what he’s been building since his last appearance and dive into his new collaborative project with Jonah Bobo under the name Jon Von.

We talk about how the partnership formed, what sparked their creative chemistry, and the making of their new double single,“Frogs and Wind” and “Take My Sense.” From sonic direction to lyrical themes, the conversation explores how the two balance instinct and intention, experimentation and structure.