In this quick-fire chat, Jay and Dan talk about the real cost of never switching off and the unexpected magic that happens when you finally do.

They cover burnout, business guilt, creative droughts, and why your next big idea is probably sitting by the pool, waiting for you.

Expect:
💥 The difference between being productive vs. frazzled and fried
✈️ Why you should plan your holidays before your campaigns
🧠 The mindset shift that only happens when you step out of the jar
💡 Dan's 12-week sprint model (and why it works)
😮 And the moment Jay realised he’s not a robot either

Bottom line? You can’t pour from an empty mug, and you’re not winning by burning out.