This week Katie joins Laura for a chat about her enviable talents, where her strive for perfection comes from and how she re-trained to turn her hobby into a career. 

We talk about how the design industry has transformed over the past 15 years, giving so many talented people jobs that they love, and what it's like being a woman in the workplace, and how your relationship with your work is viewed when you don't have children - something I'd never thought of and loved chatting about.

This episode is also a reunion as we'd not physically met in over a decade, and it was as joyous and wonderful as our teenage chats were. 

As mentioned on Instagram this week, I'm now doing weekly shout out's for awesome, female businesses - not an AD or GIFT for me, just want to help these No Ordinary Gal's out, and first up is Knits by Knowles! You can check out her Instagram @KnitsbyKnowles or browse her Etsy store at https://www.etsy.com/uk/shop/Knitsbyknowles?ref=search_shop_redirect