On this episode Joel & Carrie take a seat in their newly arranged podcast HQ to discuss the birth story of their eldest Esmae. You asked for longer episodes so thats what we delivered (Well Carrie delivered). Remember back in 2015 Carrie and Joel hadn’t met so Carrie had to lead the way and can we just appreciate how well she told the tale!! We’ve been waitng for a “good day” for Carrie to be able to put her energy into this so I hope you enjoy it just as much as Joel did!

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