In Episode 17 of The Seed Pod. guest Charlie Thomas and I talk about conservation in very remote locations; including Kure Atoll, processing the grief of natural selection as well as conservation work through art communication, the impact of rubbish on the moana/sea, burnout and imperfect environmentalism, an upcoming expedition to South Georgia in Antarctica, Sooty Terns, Albatross, and finding the owner of a stolen umbilical cord?!