Bonnitta Roy, author of Our Future at Work and editor at Integral Review, talks with Jim Rutt about process thinking, complexity, evolution, and Game B. The discussion begins with a description of Roy's "insight practice," process thinking, complexity science, reification, and model building. It continues with a discussion of consciousness, causality, complexity, chaos and emergence. That is followed by a discussion of the temporal vs. the spatial, ending in a Buddhist boat. The evolution of the universe is the next topic, including panspermea and the big bang. Then there's a standoff on language that ends in an agreement on the benefits of good poop. Finally, as the world goes to poop, Bonnitta and Jim take up Plan B and the creation of a recomposable life form in an optimally decentralized array.