Hello listeners. My guest today started reading one leadership in management book a week in 1998, over 1100 leadership books later taught churches is like a management and leadership Thought Leader encyclopedia. I love this conversation. 30 minutes went by like that. I wish I could go longer. I know I'm going to have him on Leading with Curiosity again. We explore the difference between management and leadership and why they are both absolutely critical. What makes a great leadership facilitation experience? And we explored his new book, VisuaLeadership. The power of helping people see what you're trying to say, with no further adieu, I welcome Todd Churches to the podcast. Executive coach, leadership development trainer, thought leader, and Professor of leadership at both NYU, and Columbia University in New York City. I hope you enjoy the conversation as much as I did recording it.

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