Part 2 of our Interview with Elena Saris!

Elena has made a name for herself as a public Defence Lawyer in Los Angeles over the last 30 years in and out of the courts. Her experiences in real life have translated to television where she's acted as a consultant for crime series on major television networks. If that's not impressive enough Elena has become a force in the e-commerce world via Shopify (after a brief stint as a comic).

We discuss ideas for prison reform in the U.S. based on Elena's firsthand experience dealing with hundreds of clients over the years and the pressing issues in the criminal justice system today.

Produced by Hayden Farrar

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