In this episode, Karen chats with Jerry Colonna, author of Reboot: Leadership and the Art of Growing Up, former private equity guru, and CEO/cofounder of Reboot.io. Karen and Jerry are both lovers of all things inner psyche, connection, and radical self-inquiry.

Karen and Jerry dive deeply into the notion of suffering and how those who are unconscious about their suffering cause damage. Jerry speaks compellingly about the “hungry ghost”, who is constantly consuming, never satisfied, and can appear in all of our lives until we awaken, heal, and learn to be present.

Karen and Jerry also discuss how suffering and violence are two sides of the same coin. While we may think of violence as physical, the most damaging form of violence is the spiritual and emotional violence we sometimes don’t even know we are experiencing or promoting. The violence we commit on ourselves (e.g., substance abuse, overworking, and disconnectedness) leads to violence in the world around us.

Jerry closes out the episode by sharing his wild story of why he is known as the “consultant with the spider tattoo” in this can’t miss episode of Saving You A Seat.

To find more on Jerry, visit his Twitter page, @jerrycolonna or check out reboot.io.