David Wheatley, Judy Brown, and Rick Eigenbrod discuss the challenges of leadership in times of turbulence, emphasizing the need for new approaches. They highlight the concept of "BANI" (Brittle, Anxious, Non-linear, Incomprehensible) as a replacement for VUCA, noting the familiarity and ineffectiveness of traditional terms. The conversation underscores the importance of leaders adapting to rapid change, fostering reflection and conversation as actionable steps, and encouraging a shift from seeking clarity to seeing things differently. They also explore the impact of AI on leadership, suggesting it should enhance human capabilities rather than replace them.

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