Jacob Zuma served as President of South Africa from 2009 until 2018. A hero of the anti-apartheid struggle, Zuma's time in power is remembered for corruption and self-indulgence- the rural complex he built for himself reportedly cost nearly $25 million. 

My guest today is Alec Russell, former News Editor of the Financial Times, and currently the Editor of FT Weekend (@AlecuRussell on Twitter). Alec spent many years reporting from South Africa, and interviewed Zuma on a number of occasions. We discuss Zuma’s role in the anti-apartheid struggle, his disastrous presidency, the evolution of the African National Congress from a protest movement to a party of power, and the complex political legacy of apartheid in modern day South Africa.