Sean: The next question from Erika is, do you consider yourself as a leader or a manager? 

Apple: I would really prefer that it would be my people answering this, but I would have to honestly say that I'm both. I am a leader in the sense that I know I could give them a bigger picture of where we're planning to go as a team. I also lead in the sense that I lead from the front. So when I tell them to do something, I make sure that I do it myself and that I do it alongside them. I lead, especially in a crisis that I'll make sure I'm with them when the going gets tough. So that's how I see myself as a leader.

As a manager, a manager helps people get things done and tells people how to get things done. So I would suggest, I would answer it, not really suggest, but I would answer it as I am both.

Sean: Brilliant. Maybe if you asked me a little over a decade ago, I'd say that I think all people should be leaders. But now that I've been running SEO Hacker for more than a decade, I've learned so many things and I would say the companies need both leaders and managers. And often if you're the C-level executive or the founder, you're going to wear both hats.

Now, a lot of big companies don't need leaders. They need managers. And I learned that in one of our podcast episodes, actually, because they want the status quo. They don't want people who are changing things almost all the time in their direction. And leaders do that. A lot of leaders tend to do that. So a lot of companies, I realized, need and want managers. And they got the definition wrong, they keep saying they want leaders.

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