This was one of our favourite episodes we've recorded, we reflect on Freddos reluctance to expand his comfort zone, while Benji drags him kicking and screaming on a boat ride that was just magical, plus Benji is beaming from his own experience involving boats and wakeboarding on the lake and the blessing of having wonderful, thoughtful friends. There is also a great video of him taking an almighty stack - which we will upload to our instagram @apesontapepodcast 

We also joke about of the juxtaposition of gurus who spout enlightened sermons, while being inherently flawed human beings, giving some rather hilarious examples. Can we look past people's personal flaws and still take their sage advice? Are they hypocrites, or just human? And, more importantly, are WE doing the same on our podcast? We delve into some introspection, honesty and "instagram vs reality" moments.

Which brings us to the point of while we have blissful pictures of us on a boat, which will undoubtedly make wonderful instagram moments, Freddo opens up about how he has started talk therapy, through a platform called Better Help, and how it has helped him navigate the struggles he's been facing since the void left behind by his recent separation. It was a pleasure to talk about how affordable therapy can be, as it is usually the financial burden that can stop people seeking help. 

We also end on some hilarious anecdotes of Freddos one and only fight he got in when he was in his twenties, which relates to a wonderful story that Benji tells of Ram Dass and his martial arts instructor, which ends in a lot of laughter at our own expense. 

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