In our third episode of the COPOut Podcast, Dr. Dana R. Fisher talks with guest experts who dig deeper into the problems facing the climate regime and what we should realistically expect from COP30.   

Tune in to hear from Pamela McElwee from Rutgers University and Lauren Gifford from Colorado State University as they discuss the ways they have used science to inform climate policymaking, the material outcomes of carbon governance, the intersections between biodiversity/conservation, climate change and human vulnerability, and how the climate regime continues to miss the mark.