This week Justin sits down with Andy Kindler!!

They talked about prepping for his state of the industry address next week, OCD, energy draining habits and service animals.

Check out his podcast "Thought Spiral" with J. Elvis Weinstein here:

http://thoughtspiral.libsyn.com/

Thanks to Circle of Heat for the intro music. Check them out here:

https://www.reverbnation.com/circleofheat