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Nate Leslie 0:07

Hi listeners Welcome to Leading with Curiosity. My guest today, Ira Wolfe, is a thought leader in the future of work. He is a top five global thought leader on HR, TEDx speaker, and an HR influencer. We explore the connection between a Bruce Lee quote and growth mindset. We learn the number one skill that will be required in today's workplace in these crazy ‘sort of post pandemic’ times. I know, like always I'm gonna have to go have to have a guy like Ira on the show again, so much we could have explored and didn't get to. I hope you enjoy the episode as much as I did recording.

Nate Leslie 1:02

You know, I've been doing a lot of research and you are a leader, a thought leader around the future of work adaptability. In a post pandemic era, modern leadership in 2022. What are you thinking about these days around the future of work in these times that we're living in?

Ira Wolfe 1:21

I think a lot about it for very obvious reasons. We're living in what I call the never normal and the never normal is pretty it's a pretty good description of where we are. It started with VUCA. I don't know if your listeners may or may not be familiar with that book. It's been around for about 40 years. It started with Warren Bennis in the 1980s. He was one of my favorite thought leaders on leadership. And he talked about what the future was going to be, how you needed to prepare leaders and develop leaders, which I know is what you do. And he talked about a world that would be volatile, uncertain, complex and ambiguous. And I can't think of a better acronym than VUCA to describe the world we live in now. But especially in 2020, volatile, uncertain, complex and ambiguous and everyday we continue to live there. So basically, having studied that, that being a passion of mine for the last, well, I've always liked studying change, but especially over the last 20 years when I was introduced to that i It's my here's my time, this is the time to live in, you know for that and people are really struggling. I mean, you can tell from that from stress and burnout and well being and people changing jobs and what the work environment is there's so much so much going on. So, again, we need to talk about how we prepare? How do we help people adapt better?

Nate Leslie 2:52

Yes, I do that every day. Yeah, yeah. Let's go there. Gosh, when you think about VUCA being from the 80s and now how uncertain and ambiguous. This next chapter in our lives is you know, helping people be adaptive. You've talked about the adaptability quotient. What do you want to share with that?

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