In the middle of 2025, as tensions between the U.S. and China escalate in a trade war, having empathy and a mutual understanding is more important than ever. In this heartfelt and eye-opening episode of MPods, we sit down with Robert Fisch, founder of InCorpChina and a seasoned expert in U.S.–China business relations. With over 40 years of experience living and working in China, Robert shares stories that reveal the deep cultural contrasts between transactional and relationship-based societies and why failing to understand these differences can doom even the most well-funded ventures. From learning Mandarin in Ann Arbor to singing Chinese folk songs with government officials, Robert emphasizes the irreplaceable power of human connection, humility, and mutual respect in global business.

He also offers reflections on modern disconnection and the hope that younger generations can rekindle real, face-to-face relationships. It was truly a special episode so be sure to check out!