In this week’s episode of Clean Break Chats, Andy and Rich sit down with the brilliant Denise Hamilton Mace - podcast host, writer, speaker, and one of the most insightful voices in the alcohol-free and mindful-drinking movement.

Denise opens up about:

• Her journey from daily drinking in hospitality to becoming a leading advocate for mindful drinking
• Why the “messy middle” of alcohol use is where most people actually live
• The rise of alcohol-free options and how choice is changing everything
• How rituals, habit loops, and identity shape our drinking behaviours
• Why pubs are missing out on £800 million a year (and what needs to change)
• The future of AF wine, functional drinks, and how the entire category is evolving
• And most importantly: how to make empowered choices without guilt, shame, or labels

This is a rich, nuanced conversation about moderation, identity, culture change, and giving people permission to choose what works for them.

If you’ve ever questioned your own drinking, felt in the “in-between” space, or just want to understand the modern mindful-drinking landscape - this episode will give you clarity, compassion, and plenty of aha moments.