In this episode, I sit down with Andy Rafal, CEO of OLI—a 50+ year-old chemical engineering software company operating at the intersection of AI and the physical world.

Andy and I have known each other for over 20 years, going back to our early days in New York City. This conversation covers his journey from hedge fund investing at Tiger to becoming an operator and CEO—and the lessons learned along the way.

We talk about career transitions, decision-making under uncertainty, and what it really means to build something over the long term.

We also dig into how AI is reshaping industries—especially those rooted in the physical world—and why the biggest opportunities may lie in bridging the gap between software and real-world systems.

Episode Timestamps

00:00 - Intro + what we cover

02:20 - Andy’s early career path: Cornell, law school, and following curiosity

07:15 - Why he turned down law for Tiger

22:43 - Lessons from Tiger: wins, losses, and what actually matters

28:06 - Why curiosity and lifelong learning are career superpowers

30:22 - The transition from investor → operator — and the difference between analyzing a business vs. building one

37:58 - How COVID reshaped leadership, culture, and strategy

38:26 - Building teams, culture, and long-term thinking

41:01 - Taking over a 50+ year-old company founded by his father

41:31 - The challenge of modernizing a legacy business

44:23 - How AI is impacting engineering, chemistry, and real-world systems

48:29 - The risk of AI “getting things wrong with confidence”

49:46 - Writing publicly, learning in public, and finding a voice as a CEO

Key Takeaways

• Career paths are rarely linear—following curiosity often leads to better outcomes than rigid planning
• Investing teaches you how businesses work—but operating teaches you how hard it is to build oneNot every decision needs to be perfect—but you need to update your thinking as new information comes in
• The biggest opportunities often sit at the intersection of old systems + new technology
• AI will transform industries—but human judgment and real-world context still matter deeply
• Taking time to think (and not rushing into the next thing) can be one of the most valuable decisions you make

Connect with Andy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andy-rafal/

Follow Andy on Substack: https://arafal.substack.com/

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