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AI 能創作,那著作權屬於誰?
訓練 AI 的資料來自網路,算不算侵權?
這些問題,正成為全球關注的焦點。
本集節目將帶你一探人工智慧如何重新定義創意產業與著作權邊界,我們將討論:
• 大企業與各國法律的看法:
科技巨頭如何應對 AI 著作權爭議?法律如何因應快速變化?
• AI 訓練資料的授權與合理使用:
討論經典與最新的訴訟判決,探討什麼叫「合理使用」
• AI 產出內容的版權屬於誰?
沒有人類創意參與的 AI 作品,是否能受著作權保護?
• 一般使用者應注意的版權風險:
日常使用 AI 工具創作內容,會不會不小心侵權?
這不只是法律問題,更是未來每個創作者、使用者都得面對的現實。
一起從案例與制度中思考:當 AI 進入創作現場,我們準備好了嗎?
本集提到的法律案例:
- 美國 Anthropic 以版權書籍來訓練 AI 模型,受到美國作家 Andrea Bartz 等人代表多位創作者控告
- 美國湯姆森路透(Thomson Reuters),指控AI新創公司羅斯智慧(Ross Intelligence),侵害旗下知名之 Westlaw 法律資料庫著作權
- 台灣 Lawsnote 七法,利用爬蟲程式蒐集法源資料庫中的法規沿革及附件等資料,存入 Lawsnote 七法的法學資料庫供民眾檢索營利
- 攝影師 Robert Kneschke 起訴 LAION (德國非營利組織) 未經他的同意,在人工智慧訓練資料集中使用他拍攝的照片
- 《一片美國起司》(A Single Piece of American Cheese)的版權於美國著作權局的登記
- 中國林晨控告兩間公司侵害了用 AI 創作的圖片《伴心》之信息網絡傳播權和署名權
參考資料:
(本集參考資料較多,有 60 個,但是沒有每個都提到)
100,000 jobs may be cut: How Hollywood unions are fighting the ‘AI threat’ in animation and VFX industries
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/technology/tech-news/100000-jobs-may-be-cut-how-hollywood-unions-are-fighting-the-ai-threat-in-animation-and-vfx-industries/articleshow/109164350.cms
C 之鍊金術師 -- 可以拿 CC 授權的素材來練 AI 嗎?
https://github.com/lucienchlin/slides/blob/main/2024/20240803-COSCUP2024-CC_Alchemist-Training_AI_with_the_Creative_Commmons_materials.pdf
Artificial Intelligence 2024 Legislation
https://www.ncsl.org/technology-and-communication/artificial-intelligence-2024-legislation
AI Act
https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/regulatory-framework-ai
AI Advertising is Here in 2025! | Why Everyone is Mad at Kalshi for Their NBA Finals TV Commercial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owOHiUJ087k
AI Basic Act - JU CHUN KO
https://juchunko.com/en-US/docs/act/ai-basic-act
Kalshi’s $2K NBA Finals AI Ad Shows Why Big-Budget Commercials Are Dying
https://www.designrush.com/news/kalshi-nba-finals-ai-ad-why-big-budget-commercials-are-dying
AI-created NBA Ad stuns viewers after going viral despite low budget
https://ppcjuice.com/news/ai-created-nba-ad-stuns-viewers-after-going-viral-despite-low-budget/
AI創作侵權點燃網友怒火 日插畫協會呼籲保護創作者
https://www.soundofhope.org/post/717332?lang=b5
AI生成作品有無著作權?江蘇法院咁判 專家:關鍵在人的智力投入https://www.hk01.com/%E5%A4%A7%E5%9C%8B%E5%B0%8F%E4%BA%8B/60222340/ai%E7%94%9F%E6%88%90%E4%BD%9C%E5%93%81%E6%9C%89%E7%84%A1%E8%91%97%E4%BD%9C%E6%AC%8A-%E6%B1%9F%E8%98%87%E6%B3%95%E9%99%A2%E5%92%81%E5%88%A4-%E5%B0%88%E5%AE%B6-%E9%97%9C%E9%8D%B5%E5%9C%A8%E4%BA%BA%E7%9A%84%E6%99%BA%E5%8A%9B%E6%8A%95%E5%85%A5
Web3 x Art.藝術新聞.藝術觀點 AI生成圖像如何取得著作權保護?美國著作權局最新報告:證明人類創意為主導、AI為輔助
https://artouch.com/art-views/content-170173.html
AI生成圖片涉及的著作侵權爭議
https://www.saint-island.com.tw/Tw/News/News_Info.aspx?IT=News_1&CID=266&ID=62595
AI生成圖片,著作權歸誰?平面設計師、繪師面對AI工具,應該注意的3個著作權法律知識
https://www.tasker.com.tw/articles/detail/1626
AI訓練資料集侵犯了著作權?LAION在德國獲得勝訴
https://udn.com/news/story/6871/8285350
NewsletterAlphabet and Meta, like OpenAI, are holding conversations about AI with Hollywood studios
https://www.tubefilter.com/2024/05/24/alphabet-meta-openai-conversations-hollywood-film-studios/
The AI-generated ad that aired during the NBA finals took $2,000 and 2 days to make
https://mashable.com/article/ai-generated-video-veo3-nba-finals-kalshi
Anthropic Scores a Landmark AI Copyright Win—but Will Face Trial Over Piracy Claims
https://www.wired.com/story/anthropic-ai-copyright-fair-use-piracy-ruling/
Community Data License Agreement – Permissive – Version 2.0
https://cdla.dev/permissive-2-0/
Computational Use of Data Agreement v1.0
https://cdla.dev/computational-use-of-data-agreement-v1-0/
Copyright Office Weighs In on AI Training and Fair Use
https://www.skadden.com/insights/publications/2025/05/copyright-office-report
From Alligators to Aliens: First Completely AI-Generated Ad Played During NBA Finals
https://www.eweek.com/news/ai-ad-kalshi-nba-finals/
Hollywood animation, VFX unions fight AI job cut threat
https://www.context.news/ai/hollywood-animation-vfx-unions-fight-ai-job-cut-threat
Hollywood studios can train AI models on writers' work under tentative deal: Report
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/hollywood-studios-can-train-ai-models-on-writers-work-under-tentative-deal-report
Why actors have a problem with AI and want Hollywood to do more
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/gadgets-news/why-actors-have-a-problem-with-ai-and-want-hollywood-to-do-more/articleshow/104460504.cms
Hollywood’s AI unease extends to crews and animators
https://www.kcrw.com/news/shows/greater-la/sag-wga-unions-oc/hollywood-ai
LLMs can hoover up data from books, judge rules
https://www.theregister.com/2025/06/24/anthropic_book_llm_training_ok/
Major record companies including Sony and Universal Music Group take AI companies to court for copyright infringement
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-27/major-music-companies-sue-ai-companies/104017622
Midjourney 也得「站著敬酒」,AI 圖片生成新王 Flux 怎麼這麼強?
https://hao.cnyes.com/post/103039
Questions for Consideration on AI & the Commons
https://creativecommons.org/2024/07/24/preferencesignals/
Status of all copyright lawsuits v. AI (April 25, 2024)
https://chatgptiseatingtheworld.com/2024/04/25/status-of-all-copyright-lawsuits-v-ai-april-25-2024/
Understanding CC Licenses and Generative AI
https://creativecommons.org/2023/08/18/understanding-cc-licenses-and-generative-ai/
Anthropic 判決書原文
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/25982181/authors-v-anthropic-ruling.pdf
AI生成圖片的版權問題:我們應如何正視與解決?
https://www.isuperman.tw/%E3%80%8Aai%E7%94%9F%E6%88%90%E5%9C%96%E7%89%87%E7%9A%84%E7%89%88%E6%AC%8A%E5%95%8F%E9%A1%8C%EF%BC%9A%E6%88%91%E5%80%91%E6%87%89%E5%A6%82%E4%BD%95%E6%AD%A3%E8%A6%96%E8%88%87%E8%A7%A3%E6%B1%BA%EF%BC%9F
AI訓練資料集侵犯了著作權?LAION在德國獲得勝訴
https://naipnews.naipo.com/4501
使用AI工具產出的內容也有著作權嗎?專業律師來解惑
https://www.nccu.edu.tw/p/406-1000-14022,r17.php?Lang=zh-tw
保護密度的高與低:侵權與違約差異之我見
https://ossf.denny.one/index.php%3Foption=com_content&task=view&id=1628&Itemid=56.html
國家科學及技術委員會公告:預告制定「人工智慧基本法」草案
https://join.gov.tw/policies/detail/4c714d85-ab9f-4b17-8335-f13b31148dc4
GPU巨擘Nvidia在美國被控侵害YouTube影片著作權訴訟 -- Millette、Nazemian、Dubus三個案例
https://iknow.stpi.niar.org.tw/Post/Read.aspx?PostID=21695
美國著名法律資料庫控告AI新創著作侵權之即席判決出爐
https://iknow.stpi.niar.org.tw/post/Read.aspx?PostID=21579
推特熱議「NovelAI」大量產出高水準動漫圖,繪師圈憂著作權爭議難解
https://www.4gamers.com.tw/news/detail/55380/novalai-twitter-trend
攝影師與AI數據集之間的著作權問題 | Release #327
https://www.cizucu.com/zh-tw/news/2024-10-ai-copyright-photographer-dataset-dispute
日本政府對於生成式AI版權爭議的政策立場,加劇創作者的疑惑與不安
https://research.taicca.tw/article/09be9c08-c88e-3b14-b483-ba8221c46df1
日本内阁通过《人工智能相关技术的研发及应用促进法》
https://www.secrss.com/articles/76169
日本推出首部AI專門法 旨在防止濫用風險
https://tchina.kyodonews.net/news/2025/05/3e9df0781eb2-ai-.html
日本艺术生自杀事件:人类进入“AI焦虑”时代
https://news.qq.com/rain/a/20230802A09TVK00
智慧財產局著作權主題網 - 電子郵件1111212
https://www.tipo.gov.tw/copyright-tw/cp-407-916892-c036b-301.html
生成式AI的合理使用可能
http://www.copyrightnote.org/ArticleContent.aspx?ID=9&aid=3154
EUIPO Releases Comprehensive Study on Generative AI and Copyright Implications
https://intellectual-property-helpdesk.ec.europa.eu/news-events/news/euipo-releases-comprehensive-study-generative-ai-and-copyright-implications-2025-05-18_en
索尼音樂集團AI訓練選擇退出聲明
https://www.sonymusic.com/sonymusic/declaration-of-ai-training-opt-out/
美國法官判決Anthropic以版權書籍來訓練AI模型屬於合理使用
https://www.ithome.com.tw/news/169713
美國首件判決-駁回AI開發商的合理使用抗辯(Westlaw法訊摘要爭議案)
https://www.saint-island.com.tw/Tw/News/News_Info.aspx?IT=News_1&ID=103141
認識 CC 授權與生成式 AI
https://tw.creativecommons.net/2024/05/22/know-cc-and-generative-ai/
日本內閣通過AI研發及活用推進法草案
https://stli.iii.org.tw/article-detail.aspx?no=55&tp=1&d=9341
日本文化廳發布《人工智慧著作權檢核清單和指引》
https://stli.iii.org.tw/article-detail.aspx?tp=1&d=9232&no=64
AI 創作是否能獲得著作權?——Thaler 訴美國著作權局案解析
https://stli.iii.org.tw/article-detail.aspx?no=64&tp=1&d=9327
陸AI著作權判例 學者評重大意義
https://www.chinatimes.com/realtimenews/20250312002232-260409?chdtv
爬蟲程式剽竊對手法源資料庫 七法2創辦人判刑加賠1億
https://udn.com/news/story/7321/8832333
明日科技法律事務所王琍瑩律師的 Facebook 貼文
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=30242706305344456&set=a.244847415557074
七法 Lawsnote 判決書
https://judgment.judicial.gov.tw/FJUD/data.aspx?ty=JD&id=PCDM,111%2c%e6%99%ba%e8%a8%b4%2c8%2c20250624%2c2
https://judgment.judicial.gov.tw/FJUD/data.aspx?ty=JD&id=PCDM,112%2c%e6%99%ba%e9%87%8d%e9%99%84%e6%b0%91%2c1%2c20250624%2c2
留言告訴我你對這一集的想法: https://open.firstory.me/user/cmc1u04g50pex01ra84j6gz8a/comments
AI 能創作,那著作權屬於誰?
訓練 AI 的資料來自網路,算不算侵權?
這些問題,正成為全球關注的焦點。
本集節目將帶你一探人工智慧如何重新定義創意產業與著作權邊界,我們將討論:
• 大企業與各國法律的看法:
科技巨頭如何應對 AI 著作權爭議?法律如何因應快速變化?
• AI 訓練資料的授權與合理使用:
討論經典與最新的訴訟判決,探討什麼叫「合理使用」
• AI 產出內容的版權屬於誰?
沒有人類創意參與的 AI 作品,是否能受著作權保護?
• 一般使用者應注意的版權風險:
日常使用 AI 工具創作內容,會不會不小心侵權?
這不只是法律問題,更是未來每個創作者、使用者都得面對的現實。
一起從案例與制度中思考:當 AI 進入創作現場,我們準備好了嗎?
本集提到的法律案例:
- 美國 Anthropic 以版權書籍來訓練 AI 模型,受到美國作家 Andrea Bartz 等人代表多位創作者控告
- 美國湯姆森路透(Thomson Reuters),指控AI新創公司羅斯智慧(Ross Intelligence),侵害旗下知名之 Westlaw 法律資料庫著作權
- 台灣 Lawsnote 七法,利用爬蟲程式蒐集法源資料庫中的法規沿革及附件等資料,存入 Lawsnote 七法的法學資料庫供民眾檢索營利
- 攝影師 Robert Kneschke 起訴 LAION (德國非營利組織) 未經他的同意,在人工智慧訓練資料集中使用他拍攝的照片
- 《一片美國起司》(A Single Piece of American Cheese)的版權於美國著作權局的登記
- 中國林晨控告兩間公司侵害了用 AI 創作的圖片《伴心》之信息網絡傳播權和署名權
參考資料:
(本集參考資料較多,有 60 個,但是沒有每個都提到)
100,000 jobs may be cut: How Hollywood unions are fighting the ‘AI threat’ in animation and VFX industries
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/technology/tech-news/100000-jobs-may-be-cut-how-hollywood-unions-are-fighting-the-ai-threat-in-animation-and-vfx-industries/articleshow/109164350.cms
C 之鍊金術師 -- 可以拿 CC 授權的素材來練 AI 嗎?
https://github.com/lucienchlin/slides/blob/main/2024/20240803-COSCUP2024-CC_Alchemist-Training_AI_with_the_Creative_Commmons_materials.pdf
Artificial Intelligence 2024 Legislation
https://www.ncsl.org/technology-and-communication/artificial-intelligence-2024-legislation
AI Act
https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/regulatory-framework-ai
AI Advertising is Here in 2025! | Why Everyone is Mad at Kalshi for Their NBA Finals TV Commercial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owOHiUJ087k
AI Basic Act - JU CHUN KO
https://juchunko.com/en-US/docs/act/ai-basic-act
Kalshi’s $2K NBA Finals AI Ad Shows Why Big-Budget Commercials Are Dying
https://www.designrush.com/news/kalshi-nba-finals-ai-ad-why-big-budget-commercials-are-dying
AI-created NBA Ad stuns viewers after going viral despite low budget
https://ppcjuice.com/news/ai-created-nba-ad-stuns-viewers-after-going-viral-despite-low-budget/
AI創作侵權點燃網友怒火 日插畫協會呼籲保護創作者
https://www.soundofhope.org/post/717332?lang=b5
AI生成作品有無著作權?江蘇法院咁判 專家:關鍵在人的智力投入https://www.hk01.com/%E5%A4%A7%E5%9C%8B%E5%B0%8F%E4%BA%8B/60222340/ai%E7%94%9F%E6%88%90%E4%BD%9C%E5%93%81%E6%9C%89%E7%84%A1%E8%91%97%E4%BD%9C%E6%AC%8A-%E6%B1%9F%E8%98%87%E6%B3%95%E9%99%A2%E5%92%81%E5%88%A4-%E5%B0%88%E5%AE%B6-%E9%97%9C%E9%8D%B5%E5%9C%A8%E4%BA%BA%E7%9A%84%E6%99%BA%E5%8A%9B%E6%8A%95%E5%85%A5
Web3 x Art.藝術新聞.藝術觀點 AI生成圖像如何取得著作權保護?美國著作權局最新報告:證明人類創意為主導、AI為輔助
https://artouch.com/art-views/content-170173.html
AI生成圖片涉及的著作侵權爭議
https://www.saint-island.com.tw/Tw/News/News_Info.aspx?IT=News_1&CID=266&ID=62595
AI生成圖片,著作權歸誰?平面設計師、繪師面對AI工具,應該注意的3個著作權法律知識
https://www.tasker.com.tw/articles/detail/1626
AI訓練資料集侵犯了著作權?LAION在德國獲得勝訴
https://udn.com/news/story/6871/8285350
NewsletterAlphabet and Meta, like OpenAI, are holding conversations about AI with Hollywood studios
https://www.tubefilter.com/2024/05/24/alphabet-meta-openai-conversations-hollywood-film-studios/
The AI-generated ad that aired during the NBA finals took $2,000 and 2 days to make
https://mashable.com/article/ai-generated-video-veo3-nba-finals-kalshi
Anthropic Scores a Landmark AI Copyright Win—but Will Face Trial Over Piracy Claims
https://www.wired.com/story/anthropic-ai-copyright-fair-use-piracy-ruling/
Community Data License Agreement – Permissive – Version 2.0
https://cdla.dev/permissive-2-0/
Computational Use of Data Agreement v1.0
https://cdla.dev/computational-use-of-data-agreement-v1-0/
Copyright Office Weighs In on AI Training and Fair Use
https://www.skadden.com/insights/publications/2025/05/copyright-office-report
From Alligators to Aliens: First Completely AI-Generated Ad Played During NBA Finals
https://www.eweek.com/news/ai-ad-kalshi-nba-finals/
Hollywood animation, VFX unions fight AI job cut threat
https://www.context.news/ai/hollywood-animation-vfx-unions-fight-ai-job-cut-threat
Hollywood studios can train AI models on writers' work under tentative deal: Report
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/hollywood-studios-can-train-ai-models-on-writers-work-under-tentative-deal-report
Why actors have a problem with AI and want Hollywood to do more
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/gadgets-news/why-actors-have-a-problem-with-ai-and-want-hollywood-to-do-more/articleshow/104460504.cms
Hollywood’s AI unease extends to crews and animators
https://www.kcrw.com/news/shows/greater-la/sag-wga-unions-oc/hollywood-ai
LLMs can hoover up data from books, judge rules
https://www.theregister.com/2025/06/24/anthropic_book_llm_training_ok/
Major record companies including Sony and Universal Music Group take AI companies to court for copyright infringement
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-27/major-music-companies-sue-ai-companies/104017622
Midjourney 也得「站著敬酒」,AI 圖片生成新王 Flux 怎麼這麼強?
https://hao.cnyes.com/post/103039
Questions for Consideration on AI & the Commons
https://creativecommons.org/2024/07/24/preferencesignals/
Status of all copyright lawsuits v. AI (April 25, 2024)
https://chatgptiseatingtheworld.com/2024/04/25/status-of-all-copyright-lawsuits-v-ai-april-25-2024/
Understanding CC Licenses and Generative AI
https://creativecommons.org/2023/08/18/understanding-cc-licenses-and-generative-ai/
Anthropic 判決書原文
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/25982181/authors-v-anthropic-ruling.pdf
AI生成圖片的版權問題:我們應如何正視與解決?
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https://join.gov.tw/policies/detail/4c714d85-ab9f-4b17-8335-f13b31148dc4
GPU巨擘Nvidia在美國被控侵害YouTube影片著作權訴訟 -- Millette、Nazemian、Dubus三個案例
https://iknow.stpi.niar.org.tw/Post/Read.aspx?PostID=21695
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https://www.4gamers.com.tw/news/detail/55380/novalai-twitter-trend
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https://www.cizucu.com/zh-tw/news/2024-10-ai-copyright-photographer-dataset-dispute
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https://www.secrss.com/articles/76169
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https://tchina.kyodonews.net/news/2025/05/3e9df0781eb2-ai-.html
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https://news.qq.com/rain/a/20230802A09TVK00
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https://www.tipo.gov.tw/copyright-tw/cp-407-916892-c036b-301.html
生成式AI的合理使用可能
http://www.copyrightnote.org/ArticleContent.aspx?ID=9&aid=3154
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索尼音樂集團AI訓練選擇退出聲明
https://www.sonymusic.com/sonymusic/declaration-of-ai-training-opt-out/
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https://www.saint-island.com.tw/Tw/News/News_Info.aspx?IT=News_1&ID=103141
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https://tw.creativecommons.net/2024/05/22/know-cc-and-generative-ai/
日本內閣通過AI研發及活用推進法草案
https://stli.iii.org.tw/article-detail.aspx?no=55&tp=1&d=9341
日本文化廳發布《人工智慧著作權檢核清單和指引》
https://stli.iii.org.tw/article-detail.aspx?tp=1&d=9232&no=64
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https://stli.iii.org.tw/article-detail.aspx?no=64&tp=1&d=9327
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https://judgment.judicial.gov.tw/FJUD/data.aspx?ty=JD&id=PCDM,112%2c%e6%99%ba%e9%87%8d%e9%99%84%e6%b0%91%2c1%2c20250624%2c2
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