This Bürgerkrieg Productions "15 Minutes of Fame" podcast installment features Alex and Andy, the rhythm section of the Cali-based punk band, Atomic Jellyfish. They explain to me what make a pop-punk song "quality" (versus just "good"), what lessons they've learned from being a band in LA, and what they thought was the worst thing about being stuck in LA in the midst of a pandemic. Check out all their music and merch here: https://atomicjellyfish.bandcamp.com/releases