BONUS! One of our listeners reached out after listening to our discussion of the submarine plot in the second half of Protect & Defend a few weeks back. Ben is between deployments in the US Navy onboard a submarine and offered to chat with us to break down the scene and discuss real-world connections to Vince's writing. We wanted to share this interview with you as a bonus weekend episode before we return on Monday with our book of the month for April - Extreme Measures! Enjoy!

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