Bob and Cass converse with fellow podcasters Bobby C and Ms. Ashley of "No Religion Required." Bobby and Ashley’s stories converge after years of abuse and soul-searching, where they have found love, solace, and community unlike any they ever knew apart from each other. This is a good story, check it out.  This conversation was taped on August 8th,  2015.

Credits:

"Towering Mountain of Ignorance" intro by Hank Green https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3v3S82TuxU

Intro bumper "Never Know" by Jack Johnson

All other music written and performed by Cass Midgley