Tyson Yunkaport talks to Jim about GameB, woodworking as a theory of mind & information entanglement, interconnected indigenous cognition, the iceman, taming crocodile, culture & systems designed to check narcissism, context-dependent leadership, the role of indigenous elders & cultural initiation, the commons, close vs open systems, roles & checks for sociopaths, complex vs complicated systems, humanity as a custodial species, finding balance & managing change, the money on money growth mindset, Avatar depression, debt jubilee dynamics, UBI, knowledge in rocks, spirit as metaphor, integrated information theory, flat earthers, operating protocols for sustainability agents, adaptation, holon interiors & exteriors, Holochain & cryptocurrencies, cultural evolution, and more.