Panos Astor Koffas one of the best portrait photographers. We are discussing how to turn your hobby into a business, about the importance of passion, how to face a job that you hate and fear. We have an extra challenge to face. We'll be eating hot wings along the way the hottest sauce in the world more the 2 million Scoville unit. This is a tribute to the Hot Ones show from First We Feast. We are both fans of the show, so we thought it will be interesting to recreate the challenge through the podcast.