Max Barry joins Edward Savio to talk satire, persuasion, and why even the most ridiculous ideas have to feel real. From Lexicon to Jennifer Government to The 22 Murders of Madison May, which sets a serial killer loose across the multiverse with reality-bending consequences, they get into dialogue, power, and the problem of writing satire in a world that keeps outpacing it. Funny, sharp, and a little unsettling, it’s a look at how the absurd starts to feel uncomfortably real.

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