Joscha Bach talks to Jim about better understanding ourselves via AI, narrow vs general AI incentives, AGI & human-level intelligence, philosophy of AI, limitations of the human brain, GPT-2 & 3, understanding language, layers of meaning, brains columns & mini columns, human vs animal intelligence, matter vs information, physics, realism, spirt as OS, layers of interacting emergence, evolution & memetics, dualism, causally closed minds, rational magic, idealism, human cooperation & delayed maturity, symbolic cognition, compounding impacts of learning capacity, cognitive modularity in AI, cybernetics, Dietrich Dörner's impact on Joscha's work, and much more.