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In this episode, we speak to Graeme Wood, author of the award-winning book, The Way of The Strangers: Encounters with the Islamic State. Graeme is a contributing editor to The Atlantic and wrote one of the magazine's most widely read and brilliant pieces of all time, What ISIS Really Wants. How did ISIS begin and what drives it? Is ISIS really Islamic? And will ISIS ever be “defeated”? We also talk about Graeme’s take on white supremacist Richard Spencer, his former high school classmate. Check it out.

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LINKS:
What ISIS Really Wants: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/ 

Graeme’s book, The Way of the Strangers: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0812988752/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=&sr= 

Graeme’s article, His Kampf, about Richard Spencer: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/06/his-kampf/524505/ 

Graeme’s article about John Georgelas, the highest ranking American member of ISIS: https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwinz_zC5_zfAhWB3oMKHV8aBfUQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theatlantic.com%2Fmagazine%2Farchive%2F2017%2F03%2Fthe-american-leader-in-the-islamic-state%2F510872%2F&psig=AOvVaw3OEhR7NY3ZXtQO45_G7j17&ust=1548089122269754 

Our interview with Tania Joya, ex-wife of a senior ISIS official: https://youtu.be/dYcAN_-HGHk