Michael and Marcus talk with Chris Hoppe from The Phoenix. The Phoenix is a sober active community that provides free community activities for people who are in recovery for substance use disorder. Chris talks about addiction, long-term recovery and the amazing work The Phoenix chapters are doing around the country.

(0:44) Introduction of The Phoenix and Chris Hoppe. 

(4:17) The Phoenix chapters. 

(6:00) Finding a substitute for addiction. 

(7:37) No excuses.

(9:20) Impact of community support in longtime recovery.  

(16:28) Connecting with The Phoenix (www.thephoenix.org).

(17:39) How to help the Phoenix’s mission.