While we usually talk to working moms or single women who want to have children one day, in this episode we talk to two women about their decision to not have children and how that's shaped their personal and romantic lives. And since it's summer time, we also discuss the social media gender wars that pop up when the weather heats up: specifically fixing our men's plates.

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The mater mea podcast is executive produced by Anthonia Akitunde, O. Valerie Nicolas, and Kimson Albert. Our associate producer is Isaro Carter and the podcast is edited by Ty Worell.