Michael and Faith explore the dark secret that inspired the birth of the Them, That and This podcast, the people they treated like garbage, Faith's country roots, how they both ended up in Israel, Michael's promised revenge on a dog that attacked him in Texas and Faith's dog Gin and her fear of Michael. Send questions or comments to [email protected].

Intro: “Charm School” by Bishop Allen

Outro: "Inner City" By So Many Wizards