In this edition of the podcast: a conversation with Timothy P. O’Malley of Notre Dame University’s McGrath Institute. We talk about marriage – what it is and isn’t, how it works (and doesn’t) and how – to borrow an expression from Stanley Cavell – healthy marriages and healthy societies are functions of one another. Also, an update on the promised series on race and racism, and some current comment from host Chris Altieri on the state of the Church.