This week, otherWISE hosts writer and pastor John Ortberg. John is a well-known author, with books like The Life You’ve Always Wanted, The Me I Want to Be, and If You Want to Walk On Water, You Have to Get Out of the Boat.

In this episode we talk about his new book, Eternity Is Now In Session: A Radical Rediscovery of What Jesus Really Taught About Salvation, Eternity, and Getting to the Good Place.

John is the Senior Pastor of Menlo Church in Menlo Park, California. He and his wife, author and speaker Nancy Ortberg, live in southern California. You can find more about John here.

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