This special bonus episode coproduced with the MIT Press Podcast features a conversation between Bettina Forget, director of the SETI institute's artist-in-residence program, and Lindy Elkins-Tanton, principal investigator of the NASA Psyche Mission. Listen as these Leonardo authors discuss the connections between art and science, the flawed idea of the hero, exploration of both land and space, and the complexities of being a woman in a male dominated field.