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In this episode Mike and Ken talk about the magic of software defined things and how skill crossover is becoming a thing of the future. Maybe history is repeating itself. Whether it's endpoint detection and response, physical security, disaster recovery, networks, or a firewall, it seems like everything has a software defined equivalent. Developers and Application Security engineers are being called on more and more to know things they didn't have to even 5 years ago. 

The team digs into this topic by looking at it through two lenses, what skills engineers need, and how software deals its own set of pros and cons in cloud and modern infrastructure.