Deborah Jago is an ex-mainlander turned Queenstown local. Deb and I recorded together a number of times, this is just one of our discussions. Deb defines herself as “loud, rude, obnoxious”, which is all true and yet she is so much more. Deb discusses the implications of being a woman, alone or accompanied, in a bar, what the Hydroelectric Company provided and what they took away, what “local” means, evolution, the cycles and consequences of change, man ferns and what she would do if she were Mayor Debbie.

If you want to find Deb come to Queenstown and ask the first person you see: “where’s Deb today?”