In this episode, Carl talks with the highest grossing female comedian of all-time, Chonda Pierce. Carl and Chonda talk about how to deal with the fact that ministry is hard and how to go about surviving it. We’ve included clips and interviews about Chonda’s newly released DVD “Laughing in the Dark”, complete show notes, transcripts, and other free content at twelvethirtymedia.com/podcast. Click on Episode 042.