Today's guest is Sean Klassen who is a Design Director at Instrument in Portland OR. Sean and I kick off this episode with a dad joke and it's always a great time when it starts with that. One of the incredible stories that Sean tells us is about the most difficult time in his design career, and life so far. It involves a traumatic injury while product testing with a former design client. Sean also shares with us that he got into design through music when he was younger and we chat about how it'd odd when companies take their most talented designers and move them further away from the work into management roles. Sean has managed to keep the best of both worlds though.