It's a podcast crossover extravaganza! The Them, That and This podcast collides with my older brother Vince's podcast, Mutually Awkward. The two of us talk about the coronavirus and him being on lockdown in his Beijing apartment. We also have disagreements about Star Wars, disagreements about Kobe, disagreements about having families, my old cohost vanishing into thin air, the uncertain future of my podcast, expectations for the future, meditation and really not wanting a mentally ill child. Send questions or comments to [email protected]

Intro Music: "Buttersaw" By Pizza! 

Outro Music: “On The Radio” by Eazy E