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Dive headfirst into AppSec and Terraform security with  Ken and Mike in this electrifying podcast episode. They demystify complex security concepts, offer golden nuggets on Cybersecurity programs as a DevSecOps concept, and provide a rare glimpse into the high-octane training sessions they're delivering at BlackHat, Defcon, and Lascon. This episode is a view into  building resilient security programs, tackling compliance challenges, and comparing bug bounty programs and pentests. Brimming with empathy and passion, it’s a captivating blend of strategic insights and practical advice for navigating modern cybersecurity landscapes. Tune in, soak up the armchair hot takes!