The Learner's Corner with Caleb Mason

Episode 065: Todd Henry On How To Be The Leader Creative People Need


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In this episode, Caleb and Todd talk with creativity leader, Todd Henry, about how to lead creative people.

Guest Links

Todd's website

Todd on Facebook

Todd on Twitter

Todd on Instagram

Herding Tigers: Be the Leader Creative People Need by Todd Henry

Links Mentioned

Principles: Life and Work by Ray Dalio

Learner's Corner Recommended Resource

The Accidental Creative Podcast

Herding Tigers Podcast

What We Learned

Doing the work and leading the work are very different things.

Sometimes you need to stabilize and sometimes you need to challenge.

How do you create stability?

  • Stability comes down to trust.
  • Trust is lost in the little ways.
  • You can lose trust through declaring undeclarables.
  • How do you challenge your team?

    • Challenge is pushing your team in areas where they are naturally motivated.
    • People don't understand what motivates people so they don't place them in the right role.
    • Types of Motivation

      • Builder: Creates
      • Fixer: Solves problems
      • Optimizer: Maximizes efficiency
      • Products have lifecycles. Bring people in at different stages of the project.

        A great leader of creative people accomplishes the work while developing the team to tackle new and more challenging work.

        Mind Shifts for Creative Leaders

        • Maker to Manager
        • Control to Influence
        • Peer to Coach
        • How can you create more white space for your team?

          • Stop copying people on emails.
          • Have necessary meetings with necessary people.
          • Schedule large blocks of time to do creative work.
          • Alternative to Brainstorming

            • People are more creative on their own than in a group setting.
            • Give them the subject you want ideas for.
            • Give them time to think.
            • Bring everyone together and share ideas.
            • How do you help your team sharpen their creativity?

              • Be a curator.
              • Share ideas with your team.
              • Don't give them the answers.
              • Push them to think in new ways.
              • What's one thing that's helping you?

                • Daily habits and questions I ask myself
                • How do you learn best?

                  • Through listening to audio books and processing what I've heard.
                  • What are you learning right now?

                    • Pain + Reflection = Process
                    • There is a machine you can create that will help you accomplish your goals.
                    • Quotes to Tweet

                      "Doing the work and leading the work are very different things." - @ToddHenry @LearnersPodcast Click to Tweet

                      "Trust is more like a water balloon than a bank account." - @ToddHenry @LearnersPodcast Click to Tweet

                      "We need to move from a maker mindset to a manager mindset." - @ToddHenry @LearnersPodcast Click to Tweet

                      "A great leader of creative people accomplishes the work while developing the team to tackle new and more challenging work." - @ToddHenry @LearnersPodcast Click to Tweet

                      "People are more creative on their own than in a group setting." - @ToddHenry @LearnersPodcast Click to Tweet

                      "Pain + Reflection = Progress" - @RayDalio @LearnersPodcast Click to Tweet

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