Part 2: Today's guests are Todd Berger & Lucian Föhr from Berger & Föhr in Boulder CO. If you haven't listened to Part 1 of this interview, you don't want to miss that. Head back to that one first and hear all the stories leading up to this. During this episode, we talk about the start-up they were a part of called Ello. They share the struggles they experienced with that and the strain that it put on their relationship. It has recently sold and they have started the studio back up again which has its own struggles that they share with us. Todd and Lucian share with us the branding project for the state of Colorado they were a part of that did not go well. Surprisingly, that same project is also the one they are the most proud of and they tell us about that. I also ask them about partnership disagreements and that is when we talk about micro fights.