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In this episode, Ken and Mike discuss the pressing issue of staffing security in the DevSecOps field. They explore the challenges of finding qualified application security professionals, the importance of diverse backgrounds in security roles, and the paradox of understaffed security teams despite a high demand for cybersecurity jobs. 

The conversation also delves into strategies for mitigating staffing issues, such as empowering security champions within organizations, leveraging automation and tooling, and avoiding bottlenecks in security processes. Throughout the discussion, they emphasize the need for a balanced approach to security that considers both technical and human factors.