In Episode 085, Trev and AJ chat about the indie feature film they're shooting — PRODIGAL SON — sticking to their guns once they've set their intention, and how to (*if* to) publicize projects that, well, might kinda suck a little bit.

Then they sit down with New York Times best-selling writer Matt Logelin for Part 1 of a 3-part conversation about what it's like to have his personal story turned into a Lifetime movie. Total running time: 1:09:22.