In this episode of Driving Education, Katie welcomes Dr. Mackey for a joyful, thoughtful conversation about leadership, perspective, and what it means to show up fully — even when the road is hard.

Dr. Mackey brings humor, honesty, and heart as he reflects on leadership, resilience, and the importance of choosing joy in the work of education. From lighthearted moments to meaningful insights, this episode reminds us that how we lead — and how we live — matters just as much as what we accomplish.

In this conversation, you'll hear about:

• Why joy is a leadership strategy, not a bonus

• Showing up authentically in hard seasons

• Keeping perspective when the work feels heavy

• Leading people, not just systems

• Remembering why education is worth the long drive

🎧 This episode feels like rolling the windows down, turning the music up, and remembering why you started.