Okay. We lied. Our episode did not become shorter. Oh well. There is still an amazing amount of quality content in this hour-long conversation. Hit that play button to hear our thoughts as we discuss:

- The need (or no-need) for denominations

- Where do denominations go wrong?

- How denominations can do better

- Our amazing ability to introduce ourselves

- Do we trust a physically fit pastor?

(Also, don’t worry; our beautiful non-denom co-host, Blake, stays for the entire conversation.)